in yemen? >> widely dispersed are. chris: the brains, the masterminds. >> their command and control system is the internet and that stretches everywhere. there was a hope among our terrorism analysts, chris, that the second and third generation of al qaeda would not be as formidable and adversarial as the first generation was. the feeling was these people are not going to be the same intellectual quality, they can't meet and plan operations, so there was -- people thought this isn't going to be as tough. what we're seeing now is the second and third generation, abdul mutallab is a classic example of third generation, are going to cause us more problems than we thought. chris: what do you mean by third generation? >> the third generation, the people who are recruited by the internet, the pakistani nationals in britain, american muslims as joe is saying and people have thought that's not as bad of problem. and guess what? it may be. chris: the near-term threat. a guy, at falls church a in yemen. he was directing nadal ha